When will SD be ready for Leopard?
 

Hello: Does anyone have any idea when SD will be ready for Leopard? I have chosen to wait on installing Leopard because I depend so much on SD for my backups that Leopoard is not worth the risk. But since I manage 5 computers I am really anxious to enjoy some of Leopards' new network capabilities; thus, my question about when the upgraded SD is expected. If Dave or anyone has any idea, please share it. Thanks

We're working on it -- testing and tweaking. We want it to be right, so we can't rush it out the door...

and right so...
 

i too waiting in line for the update, but i absolutely wish it to be safe. I have other backup-utils who claim they were "Leopard-Ready", if you look at there forums, they're not....

I would even recommend to dnanian to wait for the pending release of 10.5.1 to make sure that it will REALLY work and that we can be sure that our backups are what they need to be: Something we can blindly depend on...

I tried Leo's Time-Machine, but it's not the way i work, so i will set the switch to "OFF" the moment i can get a Leo-compatible SD-Version and get back "in-control" and do backups the way i want it to be, not the way apple wants it for me...

As long as there is no working SD-Version Time Machine is a good interim-solution, no need to hurry...

Thanks!

Bernie

Dave, can you PLEASE at least tell us if you're making good progress on a Leopard version on SD?

I'm VERY EXCITED of getting SD for Leopard!!!!!!

I agree with getting it right. SuperDuper has just saved me with my attempts at Leopard installation.

I did a complete back-up of my pre-Leopard main drive. Then I installed Leopard and had many of the problems that others have reported -- blue screens, applications freeze, etc -- basically, a PC experience on the Mac. I worked on it for a while but it never became stable.

So I just booted to my back-up drive, copied that version back over my main drive, and now I'm back up and happily running a stable 10.4.x OS. I'm waiting for a stable Leopard version before I try that again.

SuperDuper saved me a lot of pain and agony -- and it was fairly simple. I'm back to enjoying my Mac again. Others can suffer with the early Leopard bugs, I'll wait it out.

Ready when?
 

The minor little points that you guys seem to be taking so long to get right are the things that make restores from an SD backup work so well. In theory, you can boot from the Leopard DVD and restore from a TimeMachine backup. But with all the weird little problems with Leopard, who'd feel all that safe relying on TimeMachine? I'm using Carbon Copy Cloner for now, and it does boot the new cloned drive all right, but I wonder if there'll be some odd directory permission issue popping up when I use it for a while.

I'd just as soon wait for SD to get done right.

We're making good progress, Steve & everyone. But, as I've said (over and over and over), we're taking our time to make sure it's right. It's something we've always done -- it's one of the reasons why you like us.

I'm sorry that we didn't have the final Leopard build weeks early so we could finish things up before it came out, but we didn't -- we're going as fast as we can safely go. Patience!

That's good news! Thank you Dave.

It's not your fault if Apple didn't release their GM build of Leopard to their developers before they released it to the public.

I've installed Leopard AND backed up (over my old backup) using SD! and just now discovered that it isn't considered ready. Help!! What should I do in the meantime until SD! is ready?

Well, did it work?

It made a copy, and data files seem fine, but there are some strange added folder aliases: "var," "tmp," "etc"
Needless to say I'm not going to risk "testing" it to see if it makes a good bootable copy.

those aren't strange directories, those are standard unix directories. Nothing to be scared of. etc is your friend, it's where all your settings live. tmp is just temp junk and can be ignored. var is where your logs and other transient stuff lives.

Sheldon

Thanks! That's reassuring. I guess I'll still be slightly holding my breath until the update of SD is ready (but it is sure worth waiting for!)

Perhaps the wrong question
 

From my recent experience with the Spotty Cat IMO the question should be: When will Leopard be ready for SD? :)
Thanks to the life-saver, I am now back in Tiger and purring quite happily myself. All the machines on my LAN can now print - again.
Let's wait, friends, just wait. For Leopard to be ready for prime time, for HP et al. to get the drivers out, and for SD! to take its own sweet time.
Thanks to all, Dave, for a restore that went without a glitch or hiccup - and was very fast!

Let's place bets on how long it will take for someone else to ignore the numerous existing threads discussing this question and start a new "When will SuperDuper! be ready for Leopard?" thread.

I'm going to say it will be tomorrow morning, around 10:30 a.m.

What? I have Leopard and a HP printer and I can print just fine. I Love Leopard!

The only thing wrong now, is some important programs like SD still are incompatible with Leopard. HOWEVER that's only for the time being. :)

I've also got a pair of HP laser printers and they work perfectly with Leopard. They are both postscript (as all printers should be) so the printer driver doesn't do any heavy lifting.


Sheldon

I'm also glad the time is being taken - I'd much rather wait than have a quick release with bugs being mopped up later... especially with backup software. Props to you Dave! :)

Well, I got tired of waiting. I successfully used the newest carbon copy cloner to image my new 250gb drive for my macbook. Newest CCC has scheduling & supports updating the image with only things that have changed. It's at least a good alternative until SD gets updated. I'm typing this on my newly imaged drive and haven't had any issues in a day or so. Keeping the old drive around just in case :)

If SD works with Leopard now?
 

Hi Dave,

Here's what I have done. I partitioned my internal Hard Drive into 2, one for 10.4.10 and one for 10.5. I have backed up my 10.4.10 partition to one of 3 partitions on my external drive. The three are for, one 10.4.10, one for 10.5 (I'm backing that up as I write this from my MacBook) and one for the MacBook itself. The 1st time I backed up Leopard it (erase and copy) it got 3/4s of the way through and SD crashed. So trying again. Will report back if this backup goes OK. There is an option to back up ACS files when Leopard is running SD. What are those?

Just upgrading to Leopard was a nightmare and, as I now know, not the way to go. I backed up 10.4.10 to one partition after erasing it and now Leopard seems to have calmed down a bit after doing a clean install, with only a few sporadic crashes.

Booting Leopard from a SD bootable copy via USB (yeah I have another external drive) doesn't work.

Update. SD just crashed at about the same time as before. I'll try doing an SD copy of Leopard to my Leopard backup partition while running 10.4.10 and let you know how that goes.

Can't wait for SD Leopard. Keep us posted.

Regards,

Carter

You can try turning off the "ACL Copy" option in Advanced preferences, Carter -- but, it's not compatible, so this kind of thing is inevitable.

I for one, certainly want to wait for it to be right, I've depended on SuperDuper! for a couple of years now and intend to for quite some.

We can use it now to back up Tiger then install Leopard and have our safety net. I did this very thing when I upgraded to Tiger, ran into some problems but was on deadlines and could not take the time to figure it out. So I booted on my Panther clone and kept working for a few days until I could get back to deal with Tiger.

With Time Machine you are supposed to be able to limit what you back up. I intend to still make Leopard clones with SD! like I always have and have Time Machine back up only my files. It makes sense to have a weeks worth of changes on a file and to be able to go back and restore from any point in that week. But there is no need to do that for the system. This should keep Time Machine nice and trim so it doesn't take too long or use up too much disk space.

Apple really put in Time Machine because the majority of Mac users do not back up at all so they wanted to make it easy and painless. But for those of us who do back up TM would just be one more resource to increase our depth of safety.


Kevin
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But the main reason I like you is because superduper! backs up my mac, or at least it use to.

I love superduper, don't get me wrong. I appreciate your hard work. But it's going on 3 weeks now and I haven't been able to back up my mac. I hope an update is coming soon. Yes, I want it done right, but the amount of time that is acceptable to wait is coming to an end in my opinion.

I don't want to use time machine, or another backup application. I chose superduper!, and paid money for superduper! because that's the application I wanted to use. In all due respect, I hope I get to use it again very soon.

"Yes, I want it done right, but the amount of time that is acceptable to wait is coming to an end in my opinion."

The word "but" negates the previously stated. Lets see if we can thing of something that was rushed to market not ready. VISTA, LEOPA..:rolleyes:

No it doesn't. In fact, I'd say the opposite. The fact that it has to be done right doesn't mean that any time frame is acceptable. There's a time limit (a month? 2 months?) when "got to do it right" doesn't cut it. I'm simply saying that in my opinion that time is coming. I hope to see it out in the next week. If it's going to be much longer I feel we should be told as much.

(and leopard has been wonderfully perfect for me, so maybe they rushed yours and not mine)

Sorry, Daniel. Going as quickly as we can. It's not like we're sitting on our hands, with our heads in troughs of ice cream.

Perhaps part of the problem is that the Shirt Pocket home page still suggests that you still don't have the official release of Leopard!

I too am waiting patiently, but some updates on the Shirt Pocket/Super Duper home page as to progress might prevent people asking the same questions over and over (and over)!

For what it's worth, the folks at Parallels haven't updated their software either!

Working on a status update, trying to find time. Basically, things are going well...

Glad to hear things are going well. Can you possibly give a general timeframe for completion (i.e. days? weeks? etc.)?

Thanks for a great product!

Certainly not days. Working as fast as we can.

Fast. Good. Cheap.

Pick 2.

You can't have all 3.

this is not exactly true as (1) there is a stable beta which is available for use (build 5540) and (2) the problem mounting windows volumes in OS X can be solved be installing the latest version of macfuse.

kms

<off-topic>I just wanted to say that troughs of ice cream sound lovely. That is all.</off-topic>

Given the profound changes in Leopard, it's not surprising it's taking a while. I'm on my third install of Leopard. I'm not at all sure that Time Machine works all that well; when it was doing a backup of 6.5 gigs the other day (it picked up on a flash drive I had stuck in there), I trying stopping it. On the next reboot, there was a message that 6000+ orphaned files had been deleted; and I've had periodic disk corruption with TM running, on a 3 month old Mini that was stable with Tiger. Carbon Copy Cloner does produce a bootable clone, slowly; but won't update an existing clone and may or may not actually get everything copied with all the metadata right.

There are not a lot of good alternatives to SuperDuper, which suggests that the difficulties with Leopard are substantial.

Well, that wasn't the tone of my comment at all of course, but I'm happy with the impending update mentioned. Looking forward to it.

True. What I should have said is that they haven't released a production version that is Leopard compatible.

CCC can do smart backups... this has been discussed and is mentioned in the CCC docs: http://www.shirt-pocket.com/forums/s...28&postcount=6

As I reported in another thread, I was faced with this same situation after an early attempt to upgrade to Leopard. I even tried to do a clean install and migrate the data from a "Leopardized" SD backup. The data was fine, but the permissions, etc. were rather confused. The end result was not very stable.

I mention this only as a "be careful" kind of comment, not to lay any blame on SD. They have never claimed the current version was Leopard compatible. Also, I had an entirely different problem going on that made the install less than desirable. My Leopard install disc had flaws, and not ones that were picked up by the integrity screen at the start of the installation process.

So, for the short term, I am employing Time Machine to handle the day to day changes. I will use both Time Machine and SD, once the folks here have cleared it for takeoff.

alternatives, rather than a long wait
 

Hi Lucy, and all others wondering "when and what while we wait"...
I need daily reliable backups, and while I use Time Machine, I need multiple solutions. So, for $10 I downloaded a copy of Carbon Copy Cloner. For whatever reasons, this app is already Leopard friendly... use it right now! CCC worked flawlessly... so while I have been a huge fan of SuperDuper, I would recommend to anyone concerned about bootable clone backups while we wait in semidarkness for SuperDuper to be updated, just use CCC!

And you were forced to upgraded to Leopard at gunpoint by who??? :)